Beast Wars: Transmetals - Tuesday, July 13, 1999, 5:34 PM --------------------------------------------------------- OOC Cantina As you enter the cantina, you are nearly overwhelmed by the size of the inside, compared to the outside. The large room is somewhat smoky, and houses a plethora of alien species, from Lithonians, to Quintessons, to Humans, and finally other Cybertronians. Against the far wall is a bar, and against the left wall are some gambling tables. At one of the gambling tables, a Quintesson and a Decepticon are in a heated arguement with an exo-suited human. Around the room, are various other square tables. Behind the bar is a serving droid. Contents: Guest2 [Robot] [Lithonian] Parasight [Robot] [Predacon] Server Droid Obvious exits: leads to OOC Nexus. Rattrap strolls on in. Parasight nods. "My wager is you were both displacing the same anger that you displaced and Rattrap, and regretful about leaving BWTF to a degree, weren't you?" Rattrap ? Guest2 says, "Just a discussion of events." Parasight nodnods. Rattrap waits patiently to be addressed. Guest2 says, "Basically what happened was I was on BWTF as a Guest at about 5 or 6 am this morning, talking to another Guest who was having fun in the discussion and giving them suggestions for a character they were working on, helping them get ready to app at BWTF, and while I was talking and laughing and having fun with them on Newbie channel in a nice non-offensive pro-BWTF way, ** Yeah, you were being non-offensive /at the time/, I'll give ya that. However, I don't really consider going on and on about how great you are and mentioning every other line that you're applying to another MUSH because this one ain't good enough for you to be terribly "pro-BWTF". Just so we have our facts straight. :> Woof came on, made some comment about seeing the log and how I had treated people and how I could just go away, and booted me. ** You damn skippy! I find it humorous to a large degree that you seriously thought you could flame the admin and players of BWTF, basically say we all suck and we're not good enough for you, and then possibly expect to be welcomed back with open arms to visit as a guest. Uh-uh. You are no longer welcome on my MUSH. So, i logged back in as a Guest quickly, made some rude comments to Woof on the channel, and logged out again before she could hit the button. ** I believe the words were something along the lines of, "Screw you too Woof, don't let the doorknob hit your ass on the way out." Which didn't make much sense seeing as YOU were the one leaving, but hey. :> Then the same Guest found me here, and I apologized for my outburst but warned them that Woof and Bane weren't nearly as caring or involved at the MUSh as they'd like us to believe, and to watch out. ** Oh yeah, I forgot, booting people who act like assholes to us means we don't care about the MUSH. How silly of me. :) We went on talking after that, with a Guest who plays Bonesnatcher/Razorclaw at BWTF, and the first Guest said they were going to make a character here to RP with me. So, I'm happy that I didn't alienate the Guest, and rather flattered by the decision. they seem like a good person." ** That same Guest is also applying at BWTF, so don't go thinking you've succeeded in any grand crusade or anything. And yeah, he does seem to be a pretty cool guy. Oh yeah, and after I showed Bonesnatcher the log from the first meeting wherein you flamed the shit out of Bane, he said he thought it was funny how you kept trying to frame me as the bad guy. Pathetic, really. Guest2 says, "And, of course, I plan on returning to BWTF as a Guest to talk to people, and there's no way I foresee that Woof can possibly stop me. ** Clearly you don't understand the concept of sitelock... So she can just perch and rotate. :>" ** I can? Goody! On what? You gonna take your thumb outta your ass long enough to give me a chance? Parasight says, "Woof can sitelock you at any point in time, or at a minimum, @boot you on your IP address. I see it right now, so, you can drop any idea of subterfugially going after BWTF through it's Guests." Parasight says, "Now, right now, I'm going to tell you that you're wrong and Woof and Bane are probably the two people on that MUSH who care most about it." Guest2 says, "There are ways to avoid sitelock. just look at the problems they've had with AOL guesties. And I only intend to go back to both defy Woof's attempt to exert power over me, and to talk to friends like Rook who i don't see anywhere else." ** Ooh, now it's an attempt to "exert power over you". Hmm... nah. Unlike some folks, see, I don't feel the need to prove my penis size (in the figurative sense, of course) by lording some dumb MUSH powers over someone. Actually, I believe it was YOU who was over-fond of that. Look at my big stats, I'm so great, bow down and worship the greatness that is me or I'll kick your ass IC! ** Sorry to burst your bubble there, but news flash: BANE AND I OWN THE MUSH. As it says in News Policy, we're under no obligation to let people log into our site and play/chat/flame/whatever. As far as we're concerned, it's a private site that we let people play on because we like to make friends and have fun. Assholes who flame us and then log on as guests to "defy" us don't fall under that header. And believe me, pal, if you do get a bounce site to pass the sitelock, I ain't the only one who'll be booting you. You're kinda persona non grata around here after that last little outburst. Parasight says, "And I love both of them for it, they're great people, and know how to run a MUSH. At least, in my opinon." Parasight says, "Now, doing that, isn't going to save anything. You've seen the freak guest logs, right?" Guest2 hmmmphs unconvincedly. "I disagree, but we don't need to get into Woof and Bane here. New MUSH, new responsibilities, new opportunity. ** Comforting to know we don't need to get into us here. I guess I won't have to read the rest of the log for flames then, huh? Parasight says, "No. I think we should talk about Woof and Bane. Because Thundy, that's some of that unresolved anger that you'll redirect at other people. You need to resolve that problem at a minimum, because it's something I can definitely help you with." ** Darn. :> Guest2 says, "Yes, but I don't intend to do anything like the Freak Guests. All I'm going to do is log on to chat with Rook, and other people I don't see anywhere else." ** Well, until I notice you're online, anyway. :> Parasight says, "If you miss them, you shouldn't have given up the character." Parasight says, "And unfortunately, even if you hadn't, Woof was ready to take it." ** Damn straight. Even if you hadn't quit I would've fired you on the spot after that display. You'd already been warned after the venom you spewed about Bane at the first meeting - an @mail in which I asked to talk it out with you, and to which you never responded - so you brought it all on yourself. Guest2 says, "Resolve the problem? The only way to resolve the problem would be to throttle the both of them and convince them of their own overwhelming stupidity, but that isn't happening. So i'll just have to deal with my anger." ** Kinda puzzled as to where /that/ one came from. Must be my overwhelming stupidity. Guest2 says, "That's because Woof is a f***in retard." ** Woo! I've upgraded! Parasight says, "No." Guest2 says, "i don't think you understand. I despise the both of them." ** Why, because we wouldn't let you act like an asshole and pretend to be better than everyone else on the MUSH? Because we wouldn't accept your position on the Foremost Authority On Everything, So Shut Up And Do What I Say? Parasight says, "Megs is real to you, right?" Parasight says, "Otty's real to you?" Guest2 says, "yes. And so are bane and Woof. I spent 4 days with them at MUSHMeet in Atlanta, and even shared a bed with Woof." ** Yeah, and you hogged all the covers too, you bastard! :> Guest2 says, "And no, NOTHING happened other than our splitting a bed. She's a boney little mannish thing." ** Not sure if this was supposed to be an insult or not. Anyone who's seen the pics on my webpage knows THAT. :> Although I am amused by the insinuation that if you'd found me up to your standards of attractiveness, something WOULD have happened. For the record, I don't have any particular desire to fuck a pear-shaped tub with the muscle consistency of a bag of pudding. Parasight says, "Bane is probably one of the most real people in Woof's live. She loves him. It may not be a romantic love, but they're two of the closest friends I've ever seen online. I've seen people who are married couples who aren't as close as they are." ** True, true. Guest2 says, "Woof and Bane are very real to me, as is my history of rather solid hatred for them. Ever since the bullslag they pulled with Megatron, the last time the MUSH almost fell apart, and when i realized what they were both really like." ** You mean what your deranged little revolution-seeking brane (sic) conjured up, not what we were really like. Bane and Megs had an argument and both of 'em took it too seriously. First off, it had nothing to do with me at ALL, and secondly, it's none of your fucking business ANYWAY. ** The only horrible things we did to Megatron (or "bullslag" as you so quaintly call it) were the ones you made up based on third-hand reports and conjecture, and then spewed at the meeting in a lame-ass effort to turn the MUSH against us. Against us! What the hell were you thinking, that we'd be forced to hand over the site to your ever-so-much-more-capable hands? I say again, OUR sandbox. Parasight says, "I mean, RL married couples who come online to the same MUSH, and they aren't as close as Woof and Bane, and you ripped into Bane. And as much as you get hurt when people dump on Megs, that hurt Woof alot more." ** For the record, here's the @mail I send him after I saw that first log: In keeping with my recent posts to deal with gripes personally rather than dragging them out on the public boards, I think we need to talk. That stuff you said about Bane last night was EXTREMELY offensive to me. You jumped to conclusions based on having heard ONE side of the story, didn't even give him a chance, just ASSUMED that he was the sort of horrible person who'd rip into Megs for no reason at all. NEITHER of them was more to blame for their altercation than the other; Megs needs to chill out and give us the specifics of his problems with the MUSH if he wants results, rather than just vaguely complaining and assuming we know everything that's going on, and Bane needs to chill out and not let every little thing (like taking too long to respond to him on channel) so personally.%r%rI'm also pissed off that you went and put words in MY mouth, when I had NOTHING to do with anything that happened the other night. Again, you just ASSUMED that my decision to turn off the combat system was a result of the Bane/Megs fight, when in actuality it had nothing whatsoever to do with it. You ASSUMED that because Bane was pissed at Megs, that /I/ considered Megs to be a problem player. The only problem I have with Megs is that I think he needs to take the MUSH a little less personally and seriously all the time and lighten up. And he KNOWS that. I've told him enough times.%r%rTo be honest, I've had more problems with YOUR abrasive self-righteous attitude lately than anything Megs has said. You're ready to flame us up and down and storm off the MUSH, eh? Fine. If you feel that strongly about it, leave. Don't bother trying to be part of the SOLUTION or anything instead of just bitching. News-flash, Thundy: we're not omniscient. We can't solve a problem if no one brings us the details. You can't blame us if the players haven't been getting along lately, because no one will LET us help.%r%rI sincerely hope we can work this out without further outbursts. I really would hate to see a long-time player like yourself leave with angry words, but first this petty sniping and finger-pointing needs to STOP. If you'd like to discuss this matter with me, feel free to page me. I'd like to get this settled so there don't have to be any more hard feelings. ** Yeah, I'm a real cold bitch, all right. :> Guest2 shrugs. "Oh, I understand how close they are. And I couldn't care less. i have no compassion for them, no pity, no remorseful realization of their true golden hearts. I cry no tears for them." ** We had something to be pitied for? Hell dude, we danced a fuckin' jig when you left! No more stupid self-righteous bitching! Parasight says, "And that's because Bane said stuff about Megs, right?" Guest2 says, "Look, Para, how I feel about them won't affect me here. I haven't done anything yet for Woof booting me, and DON'T plan to do anything. BWTF is a nearly closed chapter in my life. I only linger because some people I like are only found there." ** No, not nearly closed. Shut. Kaput. You burned your bridges. If you want to log on and talk to folks who can't be found elsewhere, you'd better be damn sure someone doesn't catch you because you'll be booted on the spot. Parasight shakes his head. "Thundy. They're tech support." ** LOL. What cruel bastard can't shed tears for tech support?? :) Guest2 says, "That, and some other things... the details have faded but the core of distaste lingers inside of me. i don't LIKE them. End of story." ** Good, we don't like you either. I'm glad we got past THAT little revelation... Guest2 chuckles and nods, with genuine humor. "So am i, and look what an asshole I am. :>" Parasight says, "No. I mean, they're the aggrivation of Tech support." Guest2 shrugs. "I'm an asshole. I've become much harder since I got that job. i hate to say it, but I'm rather comforted by my refusal to take any more crap. I guess it evens out. Life goes on." ** YOUR refusal to take more crap? Let's review. You jumped to made-up conclusions about Bane and flamed him, and never apologized when you were shown to be wrong. You frequently spotlight-hogged RP and insinuated to other people that they should be happy just to be in your overwhelming awe-inspiring presence. You abused your judge bit in this manner (I'm Thundy so I'm right, so shut up) to the point where it was removed. You continually made thinly-veiled snide insults about other people's RP on channel. No no, dear Thundy, the MUSH is the collective one who got sick of YOU. Parasight says, "It does. And you never have to deal with them again." Guest2 says, "Nope. but I can sure as slag vent like crazy. :>" ** Not if you want to avoid further commentary like this. :> Parasight says, "Good. Vent it now on me." Parasight says, "Get everything out of your system regarding them right now. And never go back there where you have to deal with them. And I'll work out some way for you to contact rook without ever doing anything with Woof or Bane." ** Man, Parasight's got a lot more patience than I do. Oh wait, I've had to deal with your steadily increasing shit for two years now. He'll learn. The sad thing is, dude, when you first started, you DID deserve that character. You were a pretty cool guy. Then you let it go to your head when you started thinking you were better than everyone else. C'est la vie. Guest2 chuckles. What would be funny is if they DID ever come to a MUSH Meet thrown by Megs with me there, not there's a chance in Hell of that happening. Oh, then you'd see venting. You've never heard so many rude, snide, pointedly insulting remarks. :> ** As if this is supposed to scare me? No... regrettably we can't make it to Meg's SummerMeet due to BotCon being the weekend before, but I assure you, fear of your razor wit is the last thing that'd keep us away. ;> Actually, I'd rather like to hear it face-to-face rather than behind the protection of a computer screen, just so everyone can hear first-hand what an ass you're being. Parasight says, "Vent it -NOW-. Tell me everything you have as a problem with them." ** This should be interesting, seeing as you have yet to come up with ONE justifiable problem... Guest2 says, "but, sine I won't get the chance to effectively vent all over them, I'll have to settle for this." Guest2 says, "oh, i can't begin to put it into words. it's all stewed together into a big fat nugget of bile inside me. I can no longer say specifically -why- I hate them... just that I -do-." ** Well, that's always a good reason to flame someone. Guest2 says, "That's part of what makes venting so hard. It's tough to get a grip on anything specific anymore." ** Probably because there was never anything specific in the first place, dumbass. :> Parasight says, "Then there's not that much substance to it. I feel the same way about my Mom." Parasight says, "She's great. She's probably one of the nicest people on earth. But I still bitch and moan about her like the plague." Rattrap knows why he hates people. If he can't find a reason to hate them, then he avoids them. :> Guest2 says, "But, that is why they can both spend eternity in each other's arms burning in the deepest pits of Hell for all I care. ** Wait, let me check my manual... "Kicking assholes off your MUSH is punishable by eternal damnation." Fuck! The difference here is, she's your mom. me, i have no obligations or atachments to them. ** Funny how, with your lack of obligations, you still can't stop talking about us. I'd love to watch them squirm, oh yes." ** I'm confused (must be the f***ing retard thing again), but... why would we be squirming? Guest2 says, "So anyway, Woof booting me last night was just her being an unmitigated bitch and beging happy to have ANY slight excuse to kick me out." ** Nah, I don't need any more excuses. Your attitude is enough excuse to last me for years. Parasight says, "I could move out today and never see her again. I'm dropping my anger because every time I'm angry at her, I realize there isn't any substance and drop it anymore." Guest2 says, "ooooh, look at me flexing my mighty adminly muscles! How great i am! How caring and concerned I am!" Fucking mutant bitch." ** Woo! I'm not just an unmitigated bitch, I'm a mutant bitch too! Do I get extra points for that? FYI, flexing the admin muscles got boring after a week or so of getting my first bit, 3 and a half YEARS ago. Now I just don't take any shit. Parasight says, "She didn't booting you on sight. And us mutants don't like having it ridiculed. ;P" Guest2 says, "Sure she did. She just came out of nowhere, mentioned the log, and booted me. ** Yep! Fuck her with a chainsaw." ** Only if you're holding it, you big bag of love-pudding, you. Guest2 says, "Sorry for the language, but I'm venting now. :>" Rattrap notes that logging in just to bitch about this place is childish. :) Parasight nods. Of course. Guest2 is a... very aggressive person, as you can no doubt tell. Megs picked up on it right away when we played paintball together IRL. Heh, he called me a hunter. There IS a lot of Thundy in me. ** Really? Let's see Thunderstrike was an arrogant, aggressive, take-charge kinda guy whose opinion was always the right one. Hmm, you know, you're right. Parasight nods. And Fern. They're both similar people. Guest2 finally acknowledges Rattrap. "There you go again, misinformed. I have NOT bitched about this place. hell, when the Guest asked me why I had left the MUSH, i just said I was burned out. Sure, i may have been saying I was coming here and that it was a nice place, but I never put down BWTF in any way." ** And as I told you before I booted you, you weren't being kicked for your behaviour as a guest, but for your flaming of the players previously. Parasight says, "Stop! Now!" Parasight says, "Ratty, shut up. Thundy, shut up. Don't talk to each other!" Guest2 salutes. Rattrap just sits there. :) Parasight says, "Okay, let's look what's said. We'll get to Ratty later. Thundy, he gave you something to pounce. He said this MUSH. He said bitch. You read it and -wanted- to pounce on it and prove him wrong. Step back, pretend you're the wise and mighty (and full of crap) Parasight, and look. Rattrap was talking about you logging into BWTF to bitch and moan. And what he heard from Woof was that you logged into BWTF, and that Woof @booted you over the log, and then you started bitching about BWTF." Guest2 says, "I didn't bitch about BWTF. I bitched about Woof and Bane, because you have to consider them one unit." ** Newsflash: Woof and Bane are BWTF. Without us, no MUSH. Simple truth. Ergo, if you can't get along with us, you ain't gonna get along on the MUSH. Parasight says, "And to a great extent they are BWTF." ** Took the words right outta my mouth. Guest2 says, "In my opinion, all they do anymore is handle maintenance type stuff and occasionally come barreling in to flex a few muscles and throw their weight around." ** Hmmm... yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate. Maintenance is a pretty big job, and when we finally catch wind of a problem, of course our first impulse is to barrel on in and fix it. Not that it's our fault we can't be more proactive - I can't count the number of times I've posted asking people to come to me with their problems so I can work things out equitably. When no one tells you about anything till it's ready to boil over, that's kinda the result you get. Guest3 arrives from the OOC Nexus. Guest3 has arrived. Parasight says, "Woof did the same thing Ratty did. Ratty heard something bad about you and subscribed to it cuz he doesn't like you. And Woof said it because she has proof of you doing something to dis Bane. And you dissed Bane that night because he said something about Megs. And I can prolly go on and on." Guest2 says, "you told me to vent, so i will. Megatron is more of an admin, in spirit, than they are. they completely dropped the ball with BWTF, and it infuriates me that they still feel so high and mighty about it." ** Dropped the ball? Oh yeah, I guess THAT's why BWTF is one of the most popular TF MUSHes around. :> And y'all know my opinion about Megs. He's a great guy, but I'd never curse him with a wizard position. It'd drive him insane. Parasight says, "No, they're doing something impossibly hard that I know I can't do. They seperated themselves from IC almost completely to run the MUSH." Guest2 moves to pages. Parasight says, "They're better admin than I am." ** Aw, shucks. Well, we aim to please. :) Guest2 says, "I find that highly debatable." Parasight says, "And for the entire time I've been on BWTF, they were OOC." ** Sad but true. BWTF is really more of a place to hang out with my friends, chat and relax, to me, than it is a place where I RP a lot. When I have the time and inclination to RP, it's usually with Rodimus at 2k5. I do pop IC on ocassion though, when the mood strikes. Wolfang ain't my only character here, either. ;) ** When we first conceived this MUSH, we had a very specific idea of what we wanted adminwise - and that was a SMALL staff that could work together as friends and fellow GMs, not a giant bloated 30 person corporation. And it's worked very well for us. It just means that each of us spends a LOT of time dealing with admin stuff rather than being able to go IC. Guest2 could respond, but doesn't want to offend the other Guest. Guest3 says, "Oh, you won't offend me. :)" Guest2 says, "Good. Then, to borrow a page from South Park (GREAT, if disturbing movie), they both suck big floppy donkey dick. Woof booting me last night was just pure petty vindictiveness. Just her being really, really small." ** Nah, it was me booting you because you flamed our players and you're not welcome on the MUSH anymore. Nothing more, nothing less. You ain't worth my vindictiveness. Scorponok arrives from the OOC Nexus. Scorponok has arrived. Parasight says, "Hi, Kettle, you're black." Scorponok waves. Parasight waves. "This is sorta private between me and Thundy right now, and Ratty's here because he wants to be and because it involves him." Guest2 says, "And then her going on and blabbering about I did this and I did that. ** When did I "blabber" about anything? Quit putting words in my mouth, numbfuck; you'll be a lot happier without making up reasons to hate me. until i was booted, i was presenting a nice happy picture of BWTF to that Guest i was talking to, because I thought it would be extremely poor of me to try and turn them away." ** It would be extremely poor of you. Kinda like how it's extremely poor of you to sit at BWTM and "warn" guests that Woof and Bane don't care about their MUSH and they shouldn't go there. Scorponok nods. Scorponok heads out of the cantina. Scorponok has left. Parasight says, "Hello. Thundy. You ripped into Bane the second to last meeting because he said something about Megs." ** Something that you heard second- or third-hand and embellished with your own negative content, might I add. In fact, you even added MY supposed opinion of Megs to your rant, even though I hadn't said ANYTHING! Why didn't you tell me you could read my mind? I feel so violated... *sniff* Guest2 was doing his best to help the guest improve their idea for their characte at BWTF. Guest2 says, "Yes, and?" Parasight says, "If you could of you'd have @booted him." Guest2 says, "So that had something to do with my being booted last night? my point exactly. it was just Woof taking out her feelings on me in a small-minded, mean-spirited way." ** I have no feelings for you, other than that I think you're an asshole and don't want you on my MUSH. Although you're damn straight your flaming of Bane pissed me off royally. You seriously think I'll sit and let my friends be ABUSED like that and not take any action? Guest2 says, "No, if i could have I'd have physically booted him in the ass." Parasight says, "No more so than you are." Guest2 shrugs, this is getting nowhere. Parasight says, "People are small and mean spirited." Guest2 says, "Yes... sad fact. :(" ** Hee. Just... hee. Parasight nods. "Tough shit, we gotta get past it." Guest2 says, "Anyway, I don't plan on carrying my Woof/Bane anger over here. They can just sit there amongst the crumbling ashes of their beloved MUSH, while I get on with new opportunities." ** Nah, we're not crumbling just yet. Actually, since you left, morale has improved quite a bit. Something about not having to listen to snide comments and attempts to undermine the admin. Parasight says, "BWTF isn't going anywhere." Parasight says, "We're going to have a great Optimus Primal on friday." ** We hope. :) Guest2 says, "How I feel about them should never come into play here, since we are completely unassociated with them in any way." ** Except that 99% of the players are the same... Parasight says, "It's either gonna be me or someone who's better than me." Guest3 says, "Except for the fact that BWTF and BWTM share the same playerbase.." ** Wow, am I psychic or what? Guest2 says, "I don't think that will matter." ** For your sake, I hope not. If the general opinion of you at BWTF after that last little outburst were any indication, you'd be in for a pretty miserable MUSHing career with that playerbase. Parasight says, "Good. Then I'm holding you to that. No feelings about Woof and Bane are to come here ever again after tonight." Guest2 nods. "I don't need to go around preaching about Woof and Bane anymore. Parasight says, "You never needed to. You won't here. You're done with them." Guest2 says, "i certainly don't plan on marching around here yelling about them." ** Too late? Guest2 nods to para. Guest2 remembers that Neal guy, Frostpaw. I CERTAINLY won't be acting like him! :> ** Too late. ** Actually, I'd say your departure was rather almost exactly like his. You whined and bitched because you couldn't get special privileges or special consideration over the other players, flamed us, and left. I guess you're still safe as long as you don't start making up stories about us to tell Raksha, though. Guest2 has to laugh at the memory. Parasight says, "Take a deep breath, close your eyes, imagine a world without Woof or Bane. And visualize it being real, because now you have a world without Woof or Bane." Guest2 woohoos! Guest2 says, "Anyway then... I guess that's that. Woof and Bane can go hang, i've got RP to do." ** We're hangin'. :> (Approximately 10 weeks later, Thunderbitch was fired from BWTMet for being an asshole.)